I Quit

I Quit | DadSquadCast Episode 2

What happens when ambitious fathers stop chasing the wrong thing and start building the right one? In this episode of DadSquadCast, co-founders Jon Wolheim, Jeff Randall Allen, and Jordan Egbert each share the moment they walked away from something that was holding them back — and what they found on the other side.

Jordan Egbert, luxury travel expert and world-schooling pioneer who has visited over 142 countries with his family, opens up about quitting his corporate career with zero financial safety net to build a life of freedom through content creation. His advice to dads considering a similar leap: start building on your five-to-nine before you leave your nine-to-five.

Jeff Randall Allen, Beast Games Season 1 winner of 10 million dollars, shares the most personal story of his life — quitting alcohol nearly ten years ago after a wake-up call with a six-month-old at home. What started as white-knuckling through social events became a complete transformation: more clarity, more presence, and the space to receive everything that came next, including his historic Beast Games victory.

Jon Wolheim, AI leadership expert and former Apple and Amazon executive who brought two $2B+ AI Unicorns to market, reveals the moment that changed his entire trajectory — finding a suicide note from a family member while pursuing a once-in-a-lifetime leadership role with Apple China. Jon's decision to quit that path is a masterclass in recognizing when the cost of ambition has become too high, and he closes with a practical AI-powered framework: using Claude to run a personal values audit against your current career trajectory.

Hot Dads, Hot Takes: The sunk cost fallacy is more dangerous than ever. Quitting isn't the absence of commitment — it's the beginning of it. And it's okay to question everything in your life if it's not bringing you closer to the dad and the man you want to be.

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Transcript

Jordan Egbert 0:15

Guys, I quit. Whoa, whoa. Hey. Not this podcast, but I have quit many things in life, and I think all of us have. It's not something that's easy to do, it's not something that's easy to talk about, but sometimes quitting brings the best success stories of our lives. And that's what we want to talk about today.

Jon Wolheim 0:39

You're here. Nice. We're glad you're not quitting, Jordan. There's no other Jordan in the world.

Jeff Randall Allen 0:46

If you would have quit, I don't think I can handle John by myself. No way. I'm just not, I'm not uh intellectually capable of doing that. So thank you for staying.

Speaker 2 0:53

I think it's quite the opposite, in fact. Right?

Speaker 1 1:00

Oh we're just getting started on this podcast, and we have a lot more episodes to go. We have a lot more we want to talk about. So we are not quitting.

Speaker 1:09

But I think this is a cool, cool topic. And um because you know, quitting has this weird kind of persona about it. They gotta go like, oh, you're giving up, you're surrendering. But guess what?

Speaker 2 1:19

Surrendering into something new is sometimes exactly what you need to be doing, especially now where more people are stopping and asking, should I be quitting what I'm doing? Should I stop on this path that I'm on? Even one that they've thought their whole lives was gonna be their only one. Doctors are thinking of not being doctors anymore.

Speaker 1:41

We are at the one of those weirdest points of our lifetime for sure, where the the future is here, but we really don't know what it looks like. But if we if we invest a little bit of time, we can kind of peek around the corner and kind of go, things are changing, you know, we we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. What does it mean for us in the future?

Speaker 1 2:02

And all three of us here have go ahead, Jordan Zach. No, good. Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 2 2:11

I thought the early 90s were weird. This is definitely the weirdest chapter so far.

Speaker 1 2:18

Yeah, all three of us here have quit something at some point in our life, and we've become better people because of it. So let's talk about it. I want to talk about when I decided to make a complete career change in my life and quit my current path of life to do something different and what's come of it since then. And as we kind of talked about in the last podcast, I was on a very traditional path in life. Go to college, get married, have children, work a job until you retire, and then enjoy retirement. And that is what I was told I was supposed to do, right? That's what everyone around me was doing. That was what my parents had kind of imprinted into my brain. And at some point throughout that process, I just had to sit down and reflect and ask myself, is this really what I want to be doing? And I think a lot of people out there are feeling that same way right now, whether it's in their career or you know, anything else in life where they're they're unhappy with the current path they're on. And ultimately it came down to what are my long-term goals? Right? What do I want to accomplish long-term? And for me, it wasn't giving 40 hours, 50, 60 hours of my week every single week to a big corporate company. Instead, I was like, I want to have time to do whatever I want to do. Right. And not saying this is the right path for everyone, but for me, I was not happy in my situation of going into an office every single day from nine to five. And so I took a leap and I decided to go all in on creating content. I sold everything I owned, and my wife and I started traveling the world. And that came with its own difficulties and challenges. But after making the decision, the tough decision to leave my job and have zero income, it really helped me grow as a person because I had to, it was it was fight or flight. I had to make it work. There was no other option. I didn't want to go back to the corporate world. And so for me, my personal story of quitting was really a story of freedom. It was breaking free from the chains of what I felt I was trapped in a corporate world and starting my own business in content creation. And again, it took a long time, three, four years, until I was able to make it my full-time career. But looking back, it's the best decision I've ever made.

Speaker 2 4:51

Jordan, a lot of people might be thinking similarly that they want to chase a dream and like this might be the best time in their whole lives to do that. But I think a lot of folks might hear us talking about this and might think, oh, well, you know, maybe they had some financial backing so they could take a risk like that. You mentioned you were literally in like fight or flight, sink or swim kind of mode. Did you have some big financial backing that you were just going to be able to fall back on? Or were you literally doing a leap of faith?

Speaker 1 5:20

I wish. I wish I would have known you two at that point because I could have just called you and said, hey, you have some extra dollars laying around?

Speaker 5:28

I I charge a lot of interest. It's almost predatory lending over here.

Speaker 2 5:34

Jeff the loan shark Randall. Payday loan Randall over here.

Speaker 1 5:41

Yeah, so and I think this is very relevant because a lot of people are in the same situation. It's it's the golden handcuffs. You have to give up your full-time income in order to chase, you know, starting your own business or chase that career. So for me, I knew that I had to make up while I was building my career and building my own business, I had to make up that income. So I literally went out in the summer and I did door-to-door sales. I knocked on people's doors. I was selling pest control. And it was the worst summers. I did three summers of it, worst summers of my life. But I also made enough money to sustain our family while I was building the other side of the business. And so I think for a lot of people, they think that you know everything's going to be better when I quit my job. But what you have to be prepared for is to really sacrifice and grind to those first couple years in order to get to the point where you have that freedom and you make up the income that you were making at your job before.

Speaker 6:44

Jordan, you mentioned, I mean, I think we've all had these thoughts of I want to try something new. And it's a lot easier when it's just you. But you shared, you had a wife, you know, like and once you have a wife or kids, responsibilities change. Like, I don't know if I could have done what you did while married. Like, like, walk me through that conversation. Was Chloe supported? Did she know that you kind of had this itch to do this?

Speaker 1 7:10

Yeah, and I wouldn't actually recommend doing exactly what I did because most men have a nine to five, right? But you also have those hours after you get off of work to start building something. You have the hours before work to start building something. And so I get people coming to me all the time and saying, hey, I want to start my own business. The best way to do that is to work on your business outside of your work hours. And yes, you're gonna suffer, you're gonna be working late, you're gonna be working early, but that's a small price to pay in order to have the other side of it, which is the freedom that you're looking for. So I actually discourage people from quitting their job right away. I always tell people, hey, what are you doing after work from your five to nine? Of course you want to be spending time with your family, but there are seasons, right? There's seasons where you have to grind, you have to work extra in order to get to the level where you have the time off to spend with your family.

Speaker 8:08

Does that make sense? Yeah, no, totally. And I mean, and from the get, was Chloe supportive? Like would it was Chloe kind of like, are you sure you want to do this? Or was she like, hey, we're gonna trust you?

Speaker 1 8:21

You know, I feel like I got really lucky in that sense. Um I've always been a crazy dreamer, and Chloe is very supportive in my wild ideas and visions and dreams, and I think that's an important um decision to make when you're choosing a partner, right? Somebody that believes in you. It makes everything a lot easier. So I got lucky and she blindly followed me for better or for worse. And you know, she said, I trust you, I trust your instincts and your gut, and which which made it a whole lot easier.

Speaker 8:54

I love it, man. Well, it's it's neat to see what a what a decision to quit something can bring. Because I've you know, I've been watching your journey for the last two years, and I know that was already three years into it. Like I know you've been at this for a while, but it's it's neat to see what you're creating, not just for yourself and for your business, but also for your family. It's it's inspiring.

Speaker 1 9:15

Yeah, I appreciate that. And and both of you have had similar experiences of quitting something, and you know, in the moment it was probably a really hard decision, but looking back now, was it the right choice? So I'd love to hear from both of you on your on your journeys as well.

Speaker 2 9:35

Jeff, would you like to go? Do you wanna you wanna quit first?

Speaker 9:38

Happy to, yeah. I'll um um, and mine's a little different, you know. It's um but it's probably something that a lot of people who are watching have experienced in one way or another. I um I quit alcohol, um actually going on 10 years this spring. And when when I when I quit drinking, like I didn't, I never really considered myself that I had a problem. Um it's not like I drank every day. Um I could go days or weeks without drinking, but when I drank, I just wasn't good. Like I if I had one drink, I wanted to have 10. And um for me the the after, the aftermath, the emotional hangovers, the psychological hangovers, um and the just bad like waking up and not really knowing, gosh, who did I talk to last night? Looking at my phone, did I, you know, drunk dial anybody? Um these were things that just kind of got old, you know. Um, and you know, for me, you know, there was there's a final moment where you know, I I had a six-month-old at home and like I woke up and I didn't remember how I got home, couldn't find my shoes. Like, like these are things that are super embarrassing, especially as an adult, especially as a dad, as a husband. And that was the last time I had a drink. And when this when this happened, um in my mind, I'm like God, I was gonna take a break. You know, I'm gonna have to white knuckle it. Like, I'm gonna have to white knuckle not having a drink. Like, how am I gonna do Thanksgiving? How am I gonna do New Year's Eve or um you know somebody's celebration, or how am I gonna go to work dinners? You know, I was um always taking um clients out to dinner. Like, how am I gonna do this? And I mean, if you go to a room, if you go to get support and recovery, it's day by day. You know, you just every day you commit to, hey, I'm not gonna have a drink. And what what happened for me when I quit drinking was every day, every week, every month that went by, I got more clarity on kind of who I was. I kind of felt like I was 17 again. I kind of felt like I was the truest version of myself. And things naturally kind of transitioned from I'm gonna white knuckle and white knuckle this and get through it and not drink, to I have zero desire to drink again because what's on the other side of it for me, again, this isn't for everybody, but what was on the other side of it for me was um just a life full of much more honesty, much more clarity, um, more genuine relationships, less shame. Um so it was it was uh it was something that in my mind uh I didn't I didn't know I needed to quit until the moment it hit me. And um choosing to quit alcohol for me was one of the best decisions you know, I kind of want to say I was ever forced to make, because I I feel like I had to make a choice. Um and it was in in retrospect, these last 10 years have been uh some of the best 10 years of my life, obviously because I've been a dad. You know, my my oldest is 10 years old. Um I also you know the wild experience with Beast Games. But I think I think with quitting, you know, sometimes when you for me, when I restrict things out of my life or I remove things, it creates the space for something else to come in. So, you know, I prep I think quitting alcohol allowed me to prepare my vessel to receive something else. And you know, that means a more meaningful relationship with my family, that means more opportunities with work. So I I never my wildest dreams thought that quitting something would bring me this much fulfillment. Um but yeah, qu quitting alcohol hands down um was one of the best decisions of my life.

Speaker 2 13:52

Thank you for that vulnerability, uh Jeff. I think that whether or not we would maybe call ourselves uh dependent upon something or maybe even a word like addicted to something, there is a there's that moment where something is either more or less important than that. And when that changes, if it's such a gift to realize that, and maybe we've all navigated that to some extent. Sometimes it's something really power like a powerful chemical, then again, there's there's stuff out there that we might not think about that would be addictive, like gaming or gambling. That you know, your phone, yeah. Seriously, that dopamine hit. You ever like feel irritable when someone's trying to talk to you while you're using your phone? That's dopamine interference, right? That's uh that's a wild one, man. Did you have to do that?

Speaker 1 14:39

And then you look at what you were sorry, go ahead, Jordan. So I was gonna say, and then you look at what you were looking at that got you frustrated that someone's trying to talk to you, and you're just scrolling on X or Instagram. It's nothing important, right? Why, and I'm guilty of this. Why am I getting upset that you're trying to talk to me and I'm just looking at something that means nothing, right?

Speaker 2 15:02

That you won't remember in eight seconds. That's uh that's incredible. Jeff, did you do anything? You you just like muscled this thing. Was there any sort of like affirmation or mantra or anything that you changed about life in addition to this mindset paradigm shift that you might recommend people consider who might be navigating us?

Speaker 15:23

Yeah, yeah. I mean, um I I think it's really hard to do alone, you know, for one. So uh my aunt, which is so this is I'm getting goosebumps thinking about this. So my aunt was my uncle's second wife, and they lived in LA growing up, and I never I never really I might have met her three times in person. I got connected to her because I heard she was sober for 40 years, and she became my my sponsor, you know, someone who I talk to every day. And her and I, she's about 45 years older than me. Her and I became like fast friends, and just we had this instant connection that was just so special. And yeah, Linda, I love you. Um it was it's so it's one of these things where she helped me um and walked me through it and because she's been it, and you know, and I think one of the things about being you know dry or sober or in recovery, however you want to word it, um, if you go to a room, if you go to you know AA, you know, the the biggest gift you can give is the healthy alcoholic who's still suffering. Like, how can you be there for others who don't want to drink? One cool thing about um about recovery is it starts with desire. Like the only requirement is you have to have the desire to stop. If you have the desire to stop, there's gonna be people who want to be there for you. And I think um, not to get too philosophical or spiritual, but I I think for me, like this is where I think AA or quitting drinking has been really instrumental for me because I think everything starts with desire, whether you want to hey, I desire to quit my job so I can create travel content. Um the desire is the root. And then for me, the next step is restriction. How do I restrict doing things that I used to do to make space for things that I say I want? And so not only did is my life materially better than not drinking, it showed me a path to create space for the things I want in my life. Um, so to answer your question, John, yeah, my Aunt Linda was huge. She helped me, and then also just surrounding myself by people who support me. And I I I thought that people were gonna give me a hard time. I thought people who um I worked with who you know would would be drinking at dinner would give me a hard time. It was the opposite. Like people I've you you realize how much people care about you or your friends care about you because they want what you want, and I think that's like the ultimate definition of love or friendship is if your friends want what you want for yourself, man, they're a true friend. And that's what I I I learned who my friends were, and it was again like I say it all the time, there's beauty in the bumps. This was a bumpy time for me, and in in retrospect, it was one of the biggest blessings I could have ever gotten was that final drink I had to get onto the other side. You know, I'm if you can get on the other side and go, man, I'm grateful that I was a bad drunk because it helped me get sober and have a better life, like that's that's kind of where I'm at, and I wish that for anybody who wants to stop drinking.

Speaker 1 18:50

Excuse me. Sorry about that.

Speaker 19:00

And I feel like I'm on this podcast without any clothes. It's a very uh I'm I'm sharing a ton, but I hopefully it hopefully if it can help if it can help one or two people out there um choose to restrict something from their life that it's not bringing them joy or happiness or peace, especially as a dad. Um, and I I hope I hope it's helpful.

Speaker 2 19:22

Well, Jeff, I hope that you only feel like you don't have clothes on, because I don't think the servers could handle the traffic if you were. It's a very different podcast, but good. Maybe next week, folks. Who knows? You have to tune in. Exactly.

Speaker 19:39

We would definitely get a lot of clicks if we all came up came here naked. Emotionally naked. Yes, emotionally naked.

Speaker 1 19:50

Well, Jeff, I think that was super profound and appreciate the vulnerability there. I did want to ask one question in regards to I think this is super relevant right now, with the stress adding up for dad specifically of being the providers of the family, um, and so many men turning to things like alcohol, drugs, um, for you know, a sense of relief from that. And so after making the decision to quit, what is something that has been helpful for you when you know you you are at a work dinner or and everyone's drinking, or you get really stressed out? What's something that you've found is is helpful um to navigate staying sober in those situations?

Speaker 20:30

Um it's been a while since I've had the desire to drink. Um, you know, and so I mean it took six, twelve, eighteen, twenty-four months. Like, and I can't remember the last time I've had it, but like it initially early on was having a plan, you know, like I'm gonna go to this work dinner, I'm gonna order, you know, a soda water with a lime. Because a lot of it is stuff that I'm thinking. Like, I'm I'm thinking, are people gonna think differently of me? Are people gonna think X, Y, and Z? So it's it's more to manage my emotions. Um, but nowadays, like, like again, I don't judge anybody for like for drinking. I I just wasn't a good drinker. Most people are good, they can figure it out. So now it's like I just love going and ordering non-alcoholic whatever. I used to be ashamed to order non-alcoholic beer. I could care less now. Um, because I like that I'm able to be present and I'm able to remember these conversations. So I I think uh if you are considering, like or you're trying to quit, is to have a plan. Um and you know, lean on people. Like it's I I've never seen anybody kind of get on the other side of a drink alone. Um, and so it's leaning on people who want to help you.

Speaker 2 21:54

I think that's an aspect, you know, our our sort of mission statement here or our our motto on the DATS. Is Brotherhood, Mission, Legacy. I think when people think of brotherhood, sometimes the barbecue or the tailgate or who knows what comes to mind. I think that the days that we can connect to our tribe and find our strength in our communities, our microcommunities, our faith communities, our broader community with anything that we identify with, it's uh pretty tremendous how many people are waiting to help because they want to be part of your story. Like Linda, big ups to Linda, by the way, if Linda's listening, like wow, right?

Speaker 22:38

Uh uh amazing. And I mean, I just even thinking of I can I can picture where I was having these conversations with her. She didn't owe me anything, and she was there for me. And um, yeah. I um it reminds me, I it's been a while since I've seen her. I need to go, I need to go visit her and go out to dinner.

Speaker 1 22:59

Love that.

Speaker 23:00

Well, thank you for sharing. And of course. John, you want to want to lead us in, um, or lead us out per se? Like what did you remove yourself from? Talk us about your quit.

Speaker 2 23:15

Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting, even just in the context of the conversation here about opportunity and the sacrifice to access it and addressing uh a change that you had to make um and the motivation and inspiration that went into that. My own thought about my story has changed. But so my my story is a little bit more skewed towards, and I'll use the word an addiction to success at work. And that that's because anything you're addicted to is something that's gonna come at a cost. And sometimes that cost can be tremendous. It can be your family, it could be your job, it could be your life. Um, and I think we don't always attribute work to that list of things that might fall under addictions. But for me, I think at one point I um, you know, coming up as a kid, I wasn't super academically successful, didn't come from a very strong socioeconomic background, lived in a really small rural area of Northern California, a little city called Paradise. And ultimately, what um what that manifested as was somebody who was very, very eager to prove to the world that they were able to succeed. And that was connected to title. Interesting. That was a strange, strange mute right there. Um and that was connected to title, that was connected to money, and all the things that usually would associate somebody who's you know trying to be the wolf of Wall Street on some level. Um and at the time, and I'm going to be a little bit vague about some of the personalities here because uh of the content, and I want to protect some confidentiality. Um, I had just come back from essentially two years of very, very heavy work uh with Apple China. And this was really focused on building out the leadership hiring structure, really focused on creating sort of boots on the ground in a place where there wasn't a lot of representation for the brand initially. There was plenty of uh of other brands, but Apple wasn't really there. So it was a lot of work, uh, it was very rewarding, but it was all consuming. And I also had a family at home. And sometimes those two things don't jive well. And Jordan, I I'm sad to say I was on the opposite side of the taking the chance. I was so all in, I stopped looking around to see what was really going on because I thought that I was doing what I was supposed to do. I thought I was making bigger paychecks and progressing financially and becoming more stable, providing more safety. Well, that's all well and good until I came home one day. Um, this was after an extended, I think I was gone for four or five months this time. Came back and um, without revealing any names, um after a day or two of being home, I uh was doing some laundry and I found a note that was a suicide note that was addressed to me. And it uh was a profound wake-up call. This was a plan, not something that had happened yet. And it did give me the time to get involved and to change the course from what was laid out in that plan. And you know, I have chills thinking about that because had it not been for one pocket check uh on a pair of pants, that would have been a completely different story, uh, I think. Or at least it could have been. And that in that moment, I didn't quit my job, but I was on a really specific track. I had laid out, I knew exactly what my next five or six years were going to be. I worked with amazing people for an incredible brand with unbelievable opportunity, which all of us should be so lucky to ever have a moment to even experience this, let alone make a choice. And I had been doing this working toward a very specific role. There was a big, a big leader job, as we would say at Apple. And um, that was an even bigger version of what I was doing. And um, you know, a week or two after that moment when I had to stop and say, hey, everything has to stop. So I I took a leave of absence for the first time in my career, stopped and said, Hey, and everyone around me was to your point, Jeff, completely supportive. There's um taking a knee when you think you're the quarterback is not fun, especially if you pride yourself on on being like an unbreakable worker or being some sort of a leader archetype that you've built up in your own mind, right? We all think we're Captain America and we're usually probably Ant-Man at best. Um, it's certainly me. And in taking that knee, you know, some two or three weeks later, the call that I had been waiting for for years did come, and it was an offer to come and do that thing. But it meant being gone, either moving everybody uh to another country permanently, or me being gone so much that there was just no way this was the most binary choice I've ever seen. Either I was there where I needed to be or I wasn't. That was it. And much, Jeff, it sounds like you waking up that morning, uh, that was that was that moment for me where I had to say, I have to quit this path that I have have been pushing for so long. Um and it was it was it was very it was hard because of the different identity that came with that. Um and it was also the right choice under any circumstances. And so that was an I quit moment where um, you know, those opportunities they don't they don't always come around on clockwork like a German train. Like it's not something that shows up every quarter or every even year. That's one that never came again and that probably won't. Um, and I in those moments I think that we, especially as guys, maybe are served by stopping to say, let me focus exclusively on what was accomplished by making a choice like that, and to feel so grateful for being able to make a choice, to have had an opportunity, to have to have been in a great spot, and then to have made that choice with enough time to shift where that was going. Um so, in any event, I would say for anybody who who stops and looks around, there are warning signs. And if you if you wake up in the morning and you feel like I'm doing something that maybe I know I'm missing out on something big, just pause once in a while and really take stock of that. I would actually recommend for anybody who's in a similar spot, um, for any users of Claude, I recommend actually just throwing in a simple prompt and then following and building it out that sounds a lot like this. Act as Tim Ferris. Analyze my career, ask me 10 questions about what I'm doing and help me stack that up against what I want personally. And then watch what happens. And pretty quickly you you may notice a sharp divide and an almost tectonic split uh between those things. So, yeah, I quit. Not this, that I love it.

Speaker 30:53

It's uh I mean it's a it's crazy what a little bit of values work can do. And I think like doing values work, usually you had to have like a psychologist or a psychiatrist to take you through, but to your point, like throwing that into Claude, you can you can figure out how aligned or how apart you are from what you say you want. Um, and it doesn't, and then part of that might be do you really want what you think you want? So it's uh yeah, John, great, great share, man. It's it's hard. It's hard these days to really to figure out what we should be doing, not only for ourselves, but for our family, and you know, trying to cast aside what society seems we should be doing. So appreciate you sharing that.

Speaker 1 31:38

John, quick pause. Do we need to do you need to go? Okay.

Speaker 2 31:42

I can I can take a do we want to do a super quick hot dads, hot take where we just drop a one-liner and then bounce?

Speaker 1 31:49

Yeah.

unknown 31:50

Okay.

Speaker 1 31:51

Yeah, we can do it.

Speaker 2 31:53

Well, with that, um, let's wrap it up. We're gonna jump on our hot dads, hot takes, and then we're gonna say goodbye until the next episode. Although first, and it has a lot to do, it has everything to do with that story that I just had the um the privilege to share here. And that's my hot take is this uh watch out for the sunk cost fallacy. It's more true now than ever that just because you have been doing something doesn't mean you have to keep doing it. And I can't quit is the grown-up version of my friends are watching.

Speaker 32:25

I love it. And I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna parlay that. Um my hot take is quitting isn't the absence of commitment, it's the beginning of it. Um there's really kind of weird connotations on quitting that you're giving up, you're surrendering. But I I think for me, quitting alcohol created the space for something that I didn't even know I was missing. Um, and so I think figuring out your values and creating the space for things that you want sometimes requires you to quit something you've been doing for a long time.

Speaker 1 33:01

Love that. And I'm gonna kind of feed off of both of what I'm sorry, let me set that over. Love that. And I'm gonna feed off of what both of you said. My hot take is it's okay to question everything in your life. Why are you on the current path you're on? Why are you doing what you're doing? Is it bringing you joy? If it's not, it's okay to pivot. It's okay to change, it's okay to switch up everything in your life to bring more joy and to live a more fulfilled life.

Speaker 2 33:34

More joy, more fulfillment, and it all starts with stopping. Thank you all for joining us for yet another episode of the Dad Squadcast. We'll see you in the next episode.